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Rank: Junior Gamer
Joined: 4/15/2008 Posts: 305 Location: Chicago, IL
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I had 3 people out of the five that I know that bought into this game that are now regretting their purchase and are looking to sell.
I've heard terrible stories about Kraken's lengnth of time to respond to questions on people ordering from them from weeks to no replies at all.
We heard there was going to be a book (in English) out in February? It's June with no book.
With so few releases and with the time between them. I think it's not going to fare well at all.
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 Rank: Junior Gamer
Joined: 12/11/2007 Posts: 135 Location: St. Louis, MO
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I was distressed at the lack of releases too.
But I've had time enough to try to come to terms with Kraken as it is, rather than what I'd want it to be. In other words: I've got my stuff, I've got friends I can play with once a month or so, and when Kraken puts something enw out, I'll add it to my collection.
With their current rate of release, it's not something I can play every week, but I've realised that I've so many games I can't play them all every week anyway.
You already have as much Chonkey as possible.
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 Rank: Artist
Joined: 8/21/2007 Posts: 505 Location: St. Louis, MO
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well, since kraken doesnt field orders from game stores it would make sense they dont reply to them. Alkemy in the US is sent out through distributors. Have you ever read the alkemy forums where they actually update people on whats going on? they have posted the info on why they have delays and have been very candid about it. why dont you call the distributors that kraken deals with and ask them about there experience dealing with kraken US and how quick their replies come and how quick their product comes (steve at warstore, tom at ACD, shaw at warpath) or ask anyone who has had a missing part or a miscast part how quick they get a replacement. If it is a distributor that is dealing with France then the replies may not be immediate as they are a small company and english is not their first language, but at this time they would only be dealing with restock. None of us are perfect, orders can be missed or delayed for some reason, it happens even though gamers want their shit yesterday. Kraken has taken steps with distributors to help them get any order they make as quickly as possible and prevent any delays. I would love to see regular releases from kraken, I enjoy the game so that is a downside of slow releases. Kraken knows this and its not their preferred way, but with the current economy its how things are. Also, try and remember how other companies releases went their first year. so the answer to your question is no, its not dead in my area. its hardly had the opportunity to take off in such a short time. will it? I like to think so, time will tell. Do i regret my purchases? no, not at all. I play enough games that I dont have regret, lol! www.doughamilton3d.com
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 Rank: Artist
Joined: 8/21/2007 Posts: 505 Location: St. Louis, MO
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also, I have pointed this out to Joss, Krakens lead designer, and he understands the concerns of the gamers. He hears the same concerns in France about releases and assures me they are doing the best they can, but also trying to do it properly and not make a decision that kills their company. And yes, i take it a bit personal when i hear about 'delays' because i handle the product in the US and that shit does not sit when i get an order. www.doughamilton3d.com
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 Rank: Zealot
Joined: 11/9/2008 Posts: 363 Location: Dearborn, MI
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Our LGS picked it up back in October when the US distributers first got it.
He sold 8 starters off the bat, but only two of us ever played it once or twice. He picked up every new release but nothing moved except for the stuff I bought. He put the rest of the gear out in the 50% off section last week and everything sold out and NOW people are a little more interested to play.
No one bought a single character when they sold as a single model box for $20. As soon as these went to $10, they sold out in a day, regardless that the models were in the section that says "We no longer support this game." Go figure.
Folks were asking about the game when they thought there would be a rulebook in Feburary.
The few of us who do play, don't really have any problem with the game's release pace as this game will be a tier 2 game for us: break it out every once and awhile in accord with the new releases.
Their slow release schedule and their statement to take their time to do things properly so as not to kill the company concerns me on their behalf.
NOT selling anything is gonna kill their company. I have to assume this game is a part time job for them.
Not really dead around here, but we're focusing our energies on Infinity and then Helldorado (few floks on the fences and the LGS owner ready to jump on it if the they get a buyer).
Current Projects: 5th SS-Panzer Division "Wiking" Painting Aleph Starter and Caskuda Terrain: Infinity Smugglers Den, Malifaux Quarantine Zone
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 Rank: Artist
Joined: 8/21/2007 Posts: 505 Location: St. Louis, MO
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I believe Kraken is a couple of waves away from Alkemy being played regularly. And i TOTALLY agree on the 'NOT selling is gonna kill...' its a tough line to walk. www.doughamilton3d.com
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 Rank: Publisher/Designer/Manufacturer
Joined: 3/18/2008 Posts: 56 Location: France
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Hello there, I can here make the same answer we made to the french community. Alkemy is not dead. Kraken is a small company (yes still) with limited financial possibilities. We made some great investisment last year to provide the english communities the Starters in english. But this happened right at the same time than the financial issues everyone knows about. It become then much more difficult for us to sell these boxes during the period it was first planned. We encountered also some issues for repacking and therefore all this contributed to this situation. I know this can be quite frustrating for all of you. It is as muche frustrating for us. We have to wait to make sure every single decision we make won't cause the end of Alkemy and Kraken. We try our best to improve our release schedule. But it is quite hard as it is quite hard to find a financial supports these days. So these are hard times but things are getting slowly better here. My guess is that with upcoming Gen Con and the release of both Genesis in english and the Wave 5, as well as the our community program for this fall, things should be improving much more in the months to come. Finally, I know this post is not what you really want (minis is what we want !  ) We are doing our best to satisfy your needs !
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 Rank: Junior Gamer
Joined: 8/20/2007 Posts: 438 Location: Wichita, KS
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It's dead as a doornail here. But then again, so is most everything that's not GW. Gregdorf and I are keeping Infinity plugging along, but without the Genesis rulebook to see how the complete factions stack up, we don't like the options we have for Alkemy right now and so we don't play. I don't envy ANY game company right now because these kinds of expensive hobbies are often the first dollars cut from peoples budgets when times get tight. So I know, being a small company, Kraken has a rough road ahead of it. I sincerely hope they are able to pull through it because I think the game has a lot of promise. But they are in the middle of the worst kind of catch 22. And I don't have any brilliant answers on how to solve it.
There were horses and a man on fire and I killed a guy with a trident!
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 Rank: Zealot
Joined: 11/9/2008 Posts: 363 Location: Dearborn, MI
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The few of us that do play actually don't mind the release schedule, but we are in the camp of people that can afford to play multiple skirmish games (none of us play 40k anymore so that sink frees up plenty of dough for other games).
This does seem to affect other folks though who saw the prices and the release schedule with no official book out and turned away from it.
Current Projects: 5th SS-Panzer Division "Wiking" Painting Aleph Starter and Caskuda Terrain: Infinity Smugglers Den, Malifaux Quarantine Zone
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 Rank: Gaming Incarnate
Joined: 8/14/2007 Posts: 2,667 Location: The TTG Ziggurat (Cincinnati, Oh)
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Really, it's dried up in my area as well. As much as any with my play group. If I want to play, I make the call and it happens, but it's not like people are screaming to play Alkemy, or for me to run events. Wave 5 + English Rules will change that.
Administrator, Gaming Addict, and Forum Monkey! Get Your Game On!Razing Kain
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 Rank: Member
Joined: 8/22/2008 Posts: 16 Location: San Antonio, TX
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 Not meaning to beat this dead horse any more I need some answers please. I have called The Warstore several times without much luck as far as a release date for the "Genesis" rule book for Alkemy. I have friends that are dying to dive into this all the way, but refuse to buy another miniature unless the full rules are available. Does anybody know when the english release for the book is due?
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 Rank: Gaming Incarnate
Joined: 8/14/2007 Posts: 2,667 Location: The TTG Ziggurat (Cincinnati, Oh)
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I was told somewhere around Gencon!
Administrator, Gaming Addict, and Forum Monkey! Get Your Game On!Razing Kain
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Rank: Zealot
Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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This game is dead in our area. I don't think anyone hates the game, just the lack of reasonably-priced waves (C'mon, $20 for two models made with very little plastic?!) and lack of activity coming from the company. Perhaps when the book comes out, this will change. Or maybe when the next wave comes out and a couple more armies get reinforcements. I like the game for what it is, I just grow tired of using the same minis over and over. Totengräber's WorkpläceCircle City Gamers - Central Indiana Gaming - New and Improved!
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 Rank: Advanced Member
Joined: 2/9/2009 Posts: 43 Location: Connecticut, USA
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How many times do they have to admit that they made a mistake in the way they packaged the 20 bucks for two models and how many times do they need to promise to never do it again before people stop talking about it?
On a side note pretty much all gaming has slowed down in this area but, since none of the stores actually carry Alkemy, I haven't noticed much difference :)
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Rank: Zealot
Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 602 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Jestor wrote:How many times do they have to admit that they made a mistake in the way they packaged the 20 bucks for two models and how many times do they need to promise to never do it again before people stop talking about it? Okay, I apologize for bringing it up again. I was merely pointing it out as a reason why the game is dead in our area. I will, however, say that if companies would look at their products and think, "If I were just a gamer and not a game maker, would I buy this at this price?", things would go much smoother in the industry. Totengräber's WorkpläceCircle City Gamers - Central Indiana Gaming - New and Improved!
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 Rank: Zealot
Joined: 3/24/2008 Posts: 1,342 Location: Calgary, Alberta, CANADA
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Jestor wrote:How many times do they have to admit that they made a mistake in the way they packaged the 20 bucks for two models and how many times do they need to promise to never do it again before people stop talking about it?
On a side note pretty much all gaming has slowed down in this area but, since none of the stores actually carry Alkemy, I haven't noticed much difference :) That was for singly packed miniatures, not 2 packs.
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 Rank: Member
Joined: 8/22/2008 Posts: 16 Location: San Antonio, TX
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Thanks Kain, I can at least have an answer for an ETA (estimated time of arrival) that I can pass to the interested individuals that I game with.
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 Rank: Gaming Incarnate
Joined: 8/14/2007 Posts: 2,667 Location: The TTG Ziggurat (Cincinnati, Oh)
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SkinJob wrote:Thanks Kain, I can at least have an answer for an ETA (estimated time of arrival) that I can pass to the interested individuals that I game with. I don't work for the company, so don't take my comment to be the bible  I just talked to a birdie that tweeted something about gencon!
Administrator, Gaming Addict, and Forum Monkey! Get Your Game On!Razing Kain
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 Rank: Junior Gamer
Joined: 12/11/2007 Posts: 135 Location: St. Louis, MO
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kainthedragoonx wrote:I don't work for the company, so don't take my comment to be the bible  I just talked to a birdie that tweeted something about gencon! Joss also said on the kraken forums that they were hoping for Genesis and wave 5 at Gencon, so your birdie sounds right on.
You already have as much Chonkey as possible.
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Rank: Zealot
Joined: 3/24/2008 Posts: 267 Location: Chicago, IL
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A month later, and a month from GenCon - anyone have any updates by chance on Wave 5/Genesis?
I confess - I've lost most of my interest in this game. When Genesis comes out, I'll likely get hyped again for it, but right now there are just too many other great games out there.
I will keep checking on Kraken, though, and will definitely buy Genesis (and new figs for my forces in the next wave) the minute I see it! :)
-Mort
"Wheels within wheels in a spiral array, a pattern so grand and complex. Time after time we lose sight of the way, our causes can't see their effects."
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